Baltic Pride: The Arguments against Gay Equality

The most puzzling part of the discussion about gay equality and same-sex marriage is how anyone can be opposed to this on reasonable grounds. I never understood what straight people lose when gay people are allowed to marry, for example. But then I took part in Baltic Pride 2013 in Lithuania and I had a chance to listen to the opponents’ arguments. Let’s look at the arguments against gay equality. The opponents of gay equality had months to prepare for this occasion, they were coordinated, they decided to publicly display their arguments and they knew they would end up on TV and in newspapers (and this blog), so I assume they decided to bring forth their very best, thought-through and compelling arguments.

This guy – and many others – had no problem with gay equality as such, they were just against a public march through the city. His placard says “Homo Parade No No No No”.

Baltic Pride no no no noYou might think that screaming “No No No No” is a childish substitute for a good argument, but the argument is in the symbol: many protesters were obviously concerned with the public safety of those walking in the march, as indicated by a symbol of one marcher bending down to tie his shoelaces and the person behind him bumping into him accidentally. Many protesters displayed this symbol and I am actually thankful that they warned us to look where we are walking to avoid any accidents. Thank you!

The health and safety advisors also warned us of contracting diseases while marching.

Stop AIDS Baltic PrideIt should be mentioned though that one is very unlikely to contract AIDS in a public parade, unless one asks for a blood transfusion from a fellow marcher. Oddly, the rates of AIDS infection are highest in countries that are rather homophobic, suggesting that social and medical backwardness go hand in hand.

Then there were those who were against the European Union, which probably means that they are against Lithuania receiving infrastructure funds from the EU, against Lithuanians being free to travel, work, study and live anywhere in Europe. Or maybe they are mainly annoyed by other Europeans – like me – moving to Lithuania.

against EU Baltic Pride

What this has to do with equality for all sexual orientations? I don’t know.

Other protesters however were very European, showing off their Spanish skills, their collection of colour crayons and their obsession with penises.

No pasaran Baltic prideThe poster on the left of the next photo apparently warns of the danger of overpopulation stemming from heterosexual couples, which always and automatically produce two children, always one girl and one boy. Just weird that the population of Lithuania is shrinking so fast then.

animal poster Baltic PrideThe poster on the right introduces the theme of animals, a recurring theme of the protesters. One gentleman even brought a goat.

goat Baltic Pride

As far as I understood, the farmers were concerned that gay rights activists could convince their animals to become gay and to stop reproducing, although I found it a bit illogical that the farmers would then bring their animals to watch the parade. These fears are completely unfounded though, because as long as gays and lesbians are denied basic human and civil rights and have to worry about exclusion and physical violence, they really have more important things to do than talking to animals.

These two guys were cute with their call to “defect”, as if it was a rivalry between two football clubs. I doubt it was very successful though. As the event proceeded, it seemed to me that more people defected to Baltic Pride once they saw that we equality activists are quite normal people and not the aliens that our opponents make us out to be.

Defect Baltic Pride

In Lithuania, no protest is complete without some nationalists. Why do nationalists and Nazis everywhere love red, white and black on their flags?

nationalist protesters Baltic Pride

And then there were these two girls, one of them in Vatican-approved hot pants, pretending that Lithuania was a Christian country. Apart from the fact that Lithuania was the last country in Europe to become Christian and that many non-Christians live here as well, trying to impose one’s religion on everyone else reeks of the Taliban. Also, if even the Pope is more tolerant towards homosexuals than you, then you are definitely on the wrong side of history.

Lithuania Christian Land Baltic PrideThese two guys look like they knew what they are talking about with their poster “Sodomy leads to hell”.

Sodom Baltic Pride

I wonder if the “Save the Family” guy noticed the irony of bringing a pink umbrella to protest against a gay rights event.

pink umbrella Baltic Pride

But “family values” were upheld by this father who showed his son how to be an upright, tolerant, peaceful and compassionate citizen.

father and son Baltic Pride

father and son 2 Baltic PrideYeah, that’s the kind of good traditional parenting that needs to be defended against these “homosexuals who want to indoctrinate the rest of society with their propaganda”.

By the way, it was very strange that none of these “family values” people actually showed up as a family. They were either single guys whose wives had left them, or several guys hanging out together or several women hanging out together. Very suspicious.

So, did you see any convincing argument against equality for homosexuals? No, me neither.

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20 Responses to Baltic Pride: The Arguments against Gay Equality

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  3. Mikas Petrus says:

    Cher M. Miserable,

    And not a single photo of the actual gay parade…. pretty weird I would think.

    “Oddly, the rates of AIDS infection are highest in countries that are rather homophobic, suggesting that social and medical backwardness go hand in hand.”

    Are you sure? Lithuania has one of the lowest rates of HIV-AIDS in the world. It is thought that 15% of Lithuanians are immune to HIV-AIDS.

    Homosexual marriage – yes. Homosexual parades while children watch – no. State sanctioned gay parades when children are removed – yes.

    Homosexual propaganda in public (radio, TV, press, schools, etc.) – no.

    Homosexual bars – yes.

    Homosexuals raising children – no.

    There is nothing wrong having SOME people protest gay parades. It is their constitutional right. It does not mean that the entire country is homophobic.

    Perhaps Lithuanians feel insecure in front of gays or they are more macho than others. Perhaps they want to save their country’s genetic pool and avoid HIV infections brought from abroad. No wonder HIV infections are so low in countries where they sanction gay parades.

    Would you also state that Lithuanian is a country where Jews are hated? I’m sure there are people with ALL KINDS OF VIEWS in any country.

    Is Germany a country where Lithuanians are hated? How about Israel? Do you think all or most Lithuanians killed the Jews during the WWII era?

    Are you on a special mission in Lithuania? It seems that way. Yet you’re welcome no matter what you do, as long as you don’t break the laws.

    Why are Germans so miserable? Always looking for negativity.

    You should relax and take a break in your hateful misery. Consider another country perhaps? How about Netherlands? And if you remain in Lithuania, would you write some positive articles as well, perhaps?

    Finally, are you gay that you are so concerned for gay rights?

    Are you concerned about Jews’ or Germans’ rights in Lithuania as well?

    Handshake

    • Dante says:

      Are you on a special mission in Lithuania? It seems that way.

      I think Andreas Moser writes things in Lithuania just because he lives there for some time, not because he were “Lithuanophobic” (if so, he would probably not live in Lithuania).

      Finally, are you gay that you are so concerned for gay rights?

      In another Article on the Baltic Pride Parade, he wrote that he is not.

      Is Germany a country where Lithuanians are hated? How about Israel? Do you think all or most Lithuanians killed the Jews during the WWII era?

      I don’t fully untderstand what the Jews, Israel and the WWII era have to do with a 2013 gay parade and the protesters against it.

  4. Matteo says:

    I thought it was a well written article and interesting photos. In this day and age, Lithuania should wake up to equal rights for all or forever remain in the stone ages. I am surprised being a country so close to Finland that more acceptance and peaceful traits were not inherited but this seems to be the same kind of small minded folk I have seen in many Eastern European countries.

    I would have to agree many of his points and one that is interesting is that the men that come and protest seem to be quite miserable with their own lives or have broken marriages. Curious to why that is? I read the author being sensitive to human rights in general and not exclusively gay, Jewish etc rights. I have been in Germany and Israel and saw vibrant gay lives that mixed with mainstream. People have bigger concerns like making a proper living and creating a comfortable lifestyle. A person’s sexuality was a non-issue.

    HIV is not a gay disease. It is a sickness that affects men, women and children all over the world.

  5. Marinela says:

    Having lived abroad for a couple of years now, I feel that the idea of homosexuality is (unfortunately) still too scary for many people. As a woman reading your article and seeing the pictures that you posted, I have to ask: Is Lithuania a macho culture to such an extent that being gay = being a homosexual man?

    @Mikas: If you read the article carefully, you will notice (I know this comes surprising since it is written by a German) the very British sense of humor ;-)

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  6. marinela09 says:

    Reblogged this on Marinela's World and commented:
    Gay Pride in Lithuania, a German Perspective!

  7. billyw says:

    what would one expect but a lot of hatred when you mix right wing xtianity with a country so long dominated by soviet russia.. BTW what made Stalin so nuts – he went to a russian orthdox seminary in his youth – a church that kissed the ass of whoever ran the govt ,eg the totally corrupt Romanovs, the totally corrupt commies etc.

    Lots of screwy reasons against gays having equal rights

    BTW wouldnt i make sense to reduce AIDs by having gays marry so there is a big penalty emotionally and economically for running around – divorce

  8. Mikas Petrus says:

    Can we see photos of the actual gay parade through the hate of the haters? Again, these are a handful people who showed up to demonstrate their rights. Don’t judge the entire country by a handful of people. Israel has marked Lithuania as a “jew killer” yet only about 100 people have committed the killings, out of millions. Where’s fairness? Are you here on a special mission to belittle us, perhaps? A person living in a country does not necessarily mean they love it there. It may be a job assignment. Good luck and write some positive articles more as well, if you love it here so much. Oh, and @billyw – gays should be allowed to marry, indeed.

    • Dante says:

      Don’t judge the entire country by a handful of people.

      I don’t think Moser did so. These scenes could take place in many European countries including western Europe, including countries like France. Do you remember the French anti-gay-marriage-demonstrations?
      This post is not about ‘oh so evil’ Lithuiania but about the counter-demonstrators’ ‘oh so good’ “arguments” against equal rights for homosexual people.

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  10. Saisai says:

    I think its more of a generational issue, just two decades ago Lithuania was just out off Soviet occupation after being locked out from rest of the Europe. It’s hard to change views of society at large in such a short amount of time, most countries take decades to solve such differences in worldview, so I guess its not going to take any less time for Lithuania either.

    Another worrying aspect of this issue is actually Lithuanian Gay League that doesn’t seem to be otherwise visible outside such events. There doesn’t seem to be any attempts by gay community to integrate into governance processes, the way I see it working is: you help society to understand that homosexuals are just as much of humans as anyone else -> gain acceptance -> get elected into offices -> gain trust of society at large -> get support for bigger projects/laws -> problem solved. I get the feeling (and maybe its just me) that current course of action in regards of gay rights in Lithuania is something like that: push some law regardless of what people think about it -> law gets shot down -> LGL complains to gay organizations(for lack of better term in my limited vocabulary) in EU -> get funding for some event -> push event causing more backlash with most of society – > repeat. Not throwing this view as a blanket statement on entire LGBT community in Lithuania but there definitely seems to be an aspect of that and it goes miles in creating opposition to gay rights here. Overall you cant break society into some worldview in a decade it takes time and effort, trying to avoid hard work that is needed here by saying “do it because EU says you should” is not going to change mind of average Joe (tho not sure if Joe is right name here, maybe Jonas) on the street.

    My biggest fear however that this rise in tension is a great soil for religious intolerance (or more like intolerance caused by religious nuts) and with this entire caravan of issues comes marching in. Hopefully we manage to find a more rational way to have a serious discussion about these issues. Last thing we need here is Gražulis with his weird attraction to pants with zipper in the back.

  11. Expat Eye says:

    Fantastic! Practically a mirror-image of Latvia – although I can’t figure out the goat either ;) I love your interpretation of the posters – brilliant! :)

    • Einars says:

      Both of these blogs have given me an incredible dose of laughter medicine that will last for days to come :) Thank you, both of you!

      P.s. Pink umbrella guy is priceless :)

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